Dunkirk, Imperial War Museum, & Tamzine

[a425couple]

So, a year ago we visited the Imperial War Museum
in London.

One of the displays that interested us was the Tamzine.
"Tamzine is notable for having participated as a ''little ship' during
the 1940 evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force from Dunkirk
in northern France.
At 14.7 feet (4.5 m) in length Tamzine was the smallest vessel to take
part in the evacuation."

Wow!
A totally open boat.
I was particularly interested because a couple of years ago
I decided as a special treat to buy my self a little sailboat ($700)
and got a 9'6" nutshell pram. I normally use it on my 5 acre
lake. I've been brave a couple of times, and taken it out
on the big Lake Washington (kind of 20 miles by 2 miles wide).
I do not plan on open ocean with it.

There will soon be a new movie out about Dunkirk.

In my opinion, the Imperial War Museum was fine, but
nothing special (except perhaps for the Holocaust display).
One can, by searching on line (& Google Images) see much of it.

I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, who claimed he was acting in protest
against the exhibition of militarism to children. He caused damage
valued at approximately £200,000, not counting the loss of irreplaceable
books and documents. On his conviction in 1969 he was sentenced to
four years in prison." For whatever ill defined reason, it struck me
as quite anti-war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamzine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ships_of_Dunkirk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_War_Museum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_(2017_film)
https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/5/15545458/dunkirk-trailer
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/dunkirk-christopher-nolan-trailer-video-1202404748/

check out Google Images,
imperial war museum holocaust exhibition

I'd give a short cut, but the bots will lose the post for
improper line length.
The small scale diorama model house was quite gripping.

[Andrew Chaplin]

Post by a425couple
So, a year ago we visited the Imperial War Museum
in London.
One of the displays that interested us was the Tamzine.
"Tamzine is notable for having participated as a ''little ship' during
the 1940 evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force from Dunkirk
in northern France.
At 14.7 feet (4.5 m) in length Tamzine was the smallest vessel to take
part in the evacuation."
Wow!
A totally open boat.
I was particularly interested because a couple of years ago
I decided as a special treat to buy my self a little sailboat ($700)
and got a 9'6" nutshell pram. I normally use it on my 5 acre
lake. I've been brave a couple of times, and taken it out
on the big Lake Washington (kind of 20 miles by 2 miles wide).
I do not plan on open ocean with it.
There will soon be a new movie out about Dunkirk.
In my opinion, the Imperial War Museum was fine, but
nothing special (except perhaps for the Holocaust display).
One can, by searching on line (& Google Images) see much of it.
I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, who claimed he was acting in protest
against the exhibition of militarism to children. He caused damage
valued at approximately £200,000, not counting the loss of
irreplaceable books and documents. On his conviction in 1969 he was
sentenced to four years in prison." For whatever ill defined reason,
it struck me as quite anti-war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamzine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_ships_of_Dunkirk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_War_Museum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_(2017_film)
https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/5/15545458/dunkirk-trailer
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/dunkirk-christopher-nolan-trailer-vide
o-1202404748/
check out Google Images,
imperial war museum holocaust exhibition
I'd give a short cut, but the bots will lose the post for
improper line length.
The small scale diorama model house was quite gripping.

Footage of her in Ramsgate harbour near the start.
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/dunkirk-25-years-after

[The Horny Goat]

On Sat, 06 May 2017 10:51:33 -0400, Andrew Chaplin

Post by a425couple
I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, who claimed he was acting in protest
against the exhibition of militarism to children. He caused damage
valued at approximately £200,000, not counting the loss of
irreplaceable books and documents. On his conviction in 1969 he was
sentenced to four years in prison." For whatever ill defined reason,
it struck me as quite anti-war.

While I appreciate that was 1968 (which was a big year for protests
generally) I find it hard to believe any person who had actually been
through the Imperial War Museum could think it was about the
glorification of militarism.

I was there last June and they had 3 main exhibits - a permanent one
on the Holocaust, one on the Cold War (which I misssed as time was
getting on and I wanted time in the shop - and didn't want a repeat of
what had happened at the Greenwich Observatory where an hour before
closing a large group of school kids entered and basically took over
the place so you couldn't see anything and they closed PROMPTLY at
4:30pm so we weren't allowed in the gift shop there) and one on the
Somme.

When you left the Somme exhibit you couldn't miss the statistics given
in huge letters over the exit. The one that hit me hardest was the one
that said that 55% of British and Empire troops killed in WW1 (note:
not just the Somme battle) HAVE NO KNOWN GRAVE.

Now while I'm prepared to believe a few names have slipped by the
Imperial War Graves Commission that's a horrendous statistic and only
the most emotionless could fail to be profoundly moved.

How that can glory militarism is beyond me..

[Andrew Chaplin]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by a425couple
I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, who claimed he was acting in protest
against the exhibition of militarism to children. He caused damage
valued at approximately £200,000, not counting the loss of
irreplaceable books and documents. On his conviction in 1969 he was
sentenced to four years in prison." For whatever ill defined reason,
it struck me as quite anti-war.

While I appreciate that was 1968 (which was a big year for protests
generally) I find it hard to believe any person who had actually been
through the Imperial War Museum could think it was about the
glorification of militarism.
I was there last June and they had 3 main exhibits - a permanent one
on the Holocaust, one on the Cold War (which I misssed as time was
getting on and I wanted time in the shop - and didn't want a repeat of
what had happened at the Greenwich Observatory where an hour before
closing a large group of school kids entered and basically took over
the place so you couldn't see anything and they closed PROMPTLY at
4:30pm so we weren't allowed in the gift shop there) and one on the
Somme.
When you left the Somme exhibit you couldn't miss the statistics given
in huge letters over the exit. The one that hit me hardest was the one
not just the Somme battle) HAVE NO KNOWN GRAVE.
Now while I'm prepared to believe a few names have slipped by the
Imperial War Graves Commission that's a horrendous statistic and only
the most emotionless could fail to be profoundly moved.
How that can glory militarism is beyond me..

Please mind your attributions.

[The Horny Goat]

On Sat, 06 May 2017 19:21:22 -0400, Andrew Chaplin

Post by Andrew Chaplin

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by a425couple
I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, who claimed he was acting in protest
against the exhibition of militarism to children. He caused damage
valued at approximately £200,000, not counting the loss of
irreplaceable books and documents. On his conviction in 1969 he was
sentenced to four years in prison." For whatever ill defined reason,
it struck me as quite anti-war.

How that can glory militarism is beyond me..

Please mind your attributions.

I wasn't the author of the original comment.

Obviously I know the difference between a nutbar in 1968 and my
personal experience at the IWM in June 2016.

Equally there may well have been major philosophical differences in
the nearly 50 years between the two. Equally nobody could possibly be
confused on that point now.

[Andrew Chaplin]

Post by The Horny Goat
I wasn't the author of the original comment.
Obviously I know the difference between a nutbar in 1968 and my
personal experience at the IWM in June 2016.
Equally there may well have been major philosophical differences in
the nearly 50 years between the two. Equally nobody could possibly be
confused on that point now.

I am objecting to you responding to the quote of "a425couple" in my post,
while leaving my name and deleting his.

[The Horny Goat]

On Sun, 07 May 2017 10:55:10 -0400, Andrew Chaplin

Post by Andrew Chaplin
I am objecting to you responding to the quote of "a425couple" in my post,
while leaving my name and deleting his.

My apologies - I thought you were slanging me for confusing 1968 and
2016.

I'm generally fairly meticulous on trimming so for sure you have my
apologies - it's definitely not my intent to make anyone's words seem
to be by someone else.

[John Dallman]

Post by a425couple
I read, "Later in 1968 on 13 October the Museum was attacked by
an arsonist, Timothy John Daly, ... On his conviction in 1969 he
was sentenced to four years in prison." For whatever ill defined
reason, it struck me as quite anti-war.

The Imperial War Museum has been completely overhauled since then.
Extrapolating the tone in 1968 from the current museum isn't practical.

John