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Sir Winston Churchill
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Paul F Austin
2015-04-20 13:05:35 UTC
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Churchill, the greatest WWII war leader and arguably the savior of
Britain's highest honor was Knight of the Garter. Montgomery was created
Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, Alan Brooke Viscount Alanbrooke, even
Frederick Lindemann was created Viscount Cherwell.

Why didn't Churchill get a peerage?

Paul
John Dallman
2015-04-20 17:08:17 UTC
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Post by Paul F Austin
Why didn't Churchill get a peerage?
He declined it. He was offered a Dukedom after the war, but that would
have prevented his becoming Prime Minister again. At the time, he still
fancied his chances of that, and succeeded in 1951.

John
Bill Shatzer
2015-04-21 13:19:59 UTC
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Post by John Dallman
Post by Paul F Austin
Why didn't Churchill get a peerage?
He declined it. He was offered a Dukedom after the war, but that would
have prevented his becoming Prime Minister again. At the time, he still
fancied his chances of that, and succeeded in 1951.
Was this a recent change in British law? Historically, there have been
several prime ministers who have been dukes including, most famously,
the Duke of Wellington.
Don Phillipson
2015-04-21 18:07:02 UTC
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Post by John Dallman
Post by Paul F Austin
Why didn't Churchill get a peerage?
He declined it. He was offered a Dukedom after the war, but that would
have prevented his becoming Prime Minister again. At the time, he still
fancied his chances of that, and succeeded in 1951.
Was this a recent change in British law? Historically, there have been
several prime ministers who have been dukes including, most famously, the
Duke of Wellington.
This is not a matter of law (in the British unwritten constitution) but
merely social consensus, which by the 20th century disapproved any
prime minister in the House of Lords. The last was Lord Salisbury
(last in office 1895-1902.) The new convention excluded Lord Curzon
from Tory leadership in the 1920s and Lord Halifax in 1940.
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Rich Rostrom
2015-04-21 20:07:34 UTC
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Post by Don Phillipson
This is not a matter of law (in the British unwritten constitution) but
merely social consensus, which by the 20th century disapproved any
prime minister in the House of Lords. The last was Lord Salisbury
(last in office 1895-1902.) The new convention excluded Lord Curzon
from Tory leadership in the 1920s and Lord Halifax in 1940.
It was not a strict prohibition until after the 1940s.

When the Liberals won the election of 1905, their leader
was Henry Campbell-Bannerman, and therefore PM. Three of
the leading Liberals tried to force him to accept a
peerage and therefore go to the House of Lords.

When Bonar Law resigned as PM in 1923, Curzon expected
to replace him, and was shocked and disappointed when
Baldwin got the nod instead.

As for Halifax in 1940, his peerage was only a minor
issue. Most of the Conservatives preferred him over
the volatile Churchill. Even Labour would accept him;
Beaverbrook wrote that "Labour wanted Halifax." The
real obstacle was that Halifax himself thought
Churchill was more suitable (and more powerful as a
personality). He wrote later that it seemed to him if
he became PM, with Churchill effectively running the
war, he would be a figurehead.

However, the peerage question was definitely becoming
a barrier, and by the 1960s, it was necessary for Alec
Douglas-Home to disclaim his peerage to become PM.
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John Dallman
2015-04-20 17:11:00 UTC
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Post by Paul F Austin
Why didn't Churchill get a peerage?
My previous answer was wrong, I misremembered a detail. Randolph
Churchill, Winston's son, objected to his father getting a peerage,
because Randolph had political ambitions of his own.

Randolph would have been unable to avoid inheriting the dukedom, under
the law at the time. A peerage can be disclaimed now, as of the Peerage
Act 1963, but that was an unexpected change in the law, because Tony Benn
made a fuss, and couldn't reasonably have been anticipated in the 1950s.

Life peerages weren't available until 1958, and are limited to baronies,
which just wouldn't be adequate to recognise Churchill's deeds.

John
Paul F Austin
2015-04-20 23:50:47 UTC
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Post by John Dallman
Post by Paul F Austin
Why didn't Churchill get a peerage?
My previous answer was wrong, I misremembered a detail. Randolph
Churchill, Winston's son, objected to his father getting a peerage,
because Randolph had political ambitions of his own.
Randolph would have been unable to avoid inheriting the dukedom, under
the law at the time. A peerage can be disclaimed now, as of the Peerage
Act 1963, but that was an unexpected change in the law, because Tony Benn
made a fuss, and couldn't reasonably have been anticipated in the 1950s.
Life peerages weren't available until 1958, and are limited to baronies,
which just wouldn't be adequate to recognise Churchill's deeds.
John
I remember Anthony Wedgewood-Benn's fight to be a commoner. Thanks for
the detail.

Paul
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