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Hedgerows
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Bill Shatzer
2015-09-09 23:27:48 UTC
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Is there any good explanation of why the allies, particularly the US,
were apparently so unprepared to deal with the bocage. Certainly they
had lots of aerial recon to disclose the existence of the hedgerows and
there must have been some numbers of folks among the Free French and
French refugees in England were familiar with the terrain and could
advise them as to the nature of the hedgerows and the difficulties they
would present.

The allies eventual over came the problem by a combination of material
and manpower superiority and some clever improvisations but breaking
through the bocage country took much longer than expected and put things
considerable behind schedule.

Why were they not better prepared to deal with the hedgerow country?
William Clodius
2015-09-10 04:10:47 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Is there any good explanation of why the allies, particularly the US,
were apparently so unprepared to deal with the bocage. Certainly they
had lots of aerial recon to disclose the existence of the hedgerows and
there must have been some numbers of folks among the Free French and
French refugees in England were familiar with the terrain and could
advise them as to the nature of the hedgerows and the difficulties they
would present.
The allies eventual over came the problem by a combination of material
and manpower superiority and some clever improvisations but breaking
through the bocage country took much longer than expected and put things
considerable behind schedule.
Why were they not better prepared to deal with the hedgerow country?
Much of southern England was and perhaps still is hedgerows so they had
the opportunity to train for it, but what they lacked was time, and, to
a lesser extent, a good reason to train for it.

The divisions that landed on June 6 and 7, had spent a lot of time
training for Normandy, but that training for the infantry and armor was
rightly focussed on getting onto the shore, off of the beach, and
dealing with the prepared fortifications. The airborne forces were
focussed on landing, getting organzied, moving to a few selected
targets, and dealing with those targets. Any training not focussed on
those problems would have made the first couple of days of the invasion
that much more costly. As it was the casualties for those forces on June
6 were a substantial fraction of their casualties for that month.

The divisions that were landed later were by and large divisions that
were more recent arrivals in Britain. By the time they had arrived at
their bases in England, they had spent a couple of days on trains, a few
weeks in port waiting for the next convoy, weeks in convoy travel, and
more days off loading, getting organized, and moving to the base. Time
enough to forget much of the fundamentals of their training in the
states and loose much of their physical conditioning. While getting
their capabilities back to what it was beffore they started on their
voyage took less time than their original training, it still took time.

As to the bocage, the higher commands of the Allies had good reasons to
expect that any combat there would be of short duration compared to the
rest of the campaign. They rightly believed that the best strategy for
the Germans would be a fighting withdrawal to the rivers of northern
France. Hitler had other ideas, with the result that the fighting in
Normandy in general, and the bocage in particular, lasted longer than
expected, but once the German's started to withdraw they no longer had
the capability of stopping the Allies at the Seine. Instead they had to
let logistics stop the Allies near the German border.

In the long run what would have been better than preparing for the
bocage in particular, would have been the realization that if they had
the resources to attach a tank battalion to every infantry regiment, it
might be a good idea to attach a tank battalion during the traing and
see what could be learnt about combined arms.
Don Phillipson
2015-09-10 23:38:01 UTC
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Is there any good explanation of why the allies, particularly the US, were
apparently so unprepared to deal with the bocage. Certainly they had lots
of aerial recon to disclose the existence of the hedgerows and there must
have been some numbers of folks among the Free French and French refugees
in England were familiar with the terrain . . .
As posted, special training focussed on getting ashore. The
assumption was that thereafter general infantry combat training
would provide what was needed. This doctrine succeeded in
Sicily and Italian landings. It failed both in Normandy (because
of sunken roads between hedgerows) and it failed in the
Pacific Islands (until the USMC learned how many coral and
timber bunkers were likely to survive naval gunnery, and how
to deal with them.)
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Rich
2015-09-14 20:21:57 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Is there any good explanation of why the allies, particularly the US,
were apparently so unprepared to deal with the bocage.
(snip)
Why were they not better prepared to deal with the hedgerow country?
A much more interesting question than the overdone one about the bombing
"failure". Simply put, as Don mentioned, the emphasis was on getting onshore
establishing a viable beachhead. The Americans certainly were aware of the
bocage. The Western Naval Task Force "NEPTUNE Monograph" is the best
evidence for that. In its section on the terrain inland, it mentions the
bocage (pp. 26-31) five times by my cursory count and displays photographs
representative of the bocage another five times. Revealingly though,
the section on the terrain inland only covers the upper and lower
Cotentin and the region of Bessin, which was where the concern was. Even
though the "true bocage" region southwest of Bessin was mentioned, it
isn't covered.

The evidence indicates that in this very complex system called NEPTUNE
the bocage was well known, but wasn't seen as an obstacle because it
was expected the Germans would never overextend themselves by trying to
defend it. It was a classic case of mirror imaging what we thought the
best German option was rather than analyzing what the German leaders
would decide was the best course of action.

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